Will you choose to be your best and fulfil your potential?

Dr Jon Finn discusses Chapter 9 of The Habit Mechanic book which explains much more about how our brains function and how this means we have a choice when it comes to being our best, feeling well and performing to our potential.

He also explains more about ‘Me Power Conditioning’ and the journey to becoming a Habit Mechanic.

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Hello Habit Mechanics it’s Dr Jon Finn here welcome to another episode of The Habit Mechanic podcast today we are going to dive into chapter nine of the book. Chapter nine is the first chapter within step two of the book so the Habit Mechanic is is separated into four distinct steps the title of step two is learn about the secret brain science that will unlock your potential and the title of chapter nine is how your brain works this is the first of a few chapters where we really dig into the brain so we’re going to talk about this in detail I’m also joined today by my friend and colleague Andrew Whitelam. Andrew, how are you?

Yes hi there Jon great to be here again um I remember when I was reading the Habit Mechanic book and we got to this step too you really start to get a sense of excitement because um what’s gone before has been fascinating and engaging but you really feel you’re now getting up to speed with some super powerful science that you can apply in your life to to really improve any aspect of your life you want, so I really did enjoy this section of the book and I think it’s fascinating um in this section that you actually pose people a question um you rightly highlight how we live in a world of distractions and pressures we have social media we have different social media platforms emerging day by day which show us things about other people’s lives tell us things we should be doing tell us things we shouldn’t be doing put this put this pressure on us get us into ways of thinking that are really unhelpful for us and you you highlight that when we have what can be a very damaging situation and challenge in front of us although it’s very powerful and and in some cases people find it very difficult we do have a choice when we Face these challenges.

So the starting point always has to be how well did I do my best to be at my best because there are far more things that we can control oh let me rephrase that we are in a better position to control how we feel than anybody else is to help us to do that so we have an awful lot of control much more than we give ourselves credit for and when we start to learn how our brain works and how we think then we’ve got a much better chance of managing the thinking process therefore managing what we habitualize in terms of thinking and doing yeah and to help people think about how they can choose to be their best um you you do highlight a Continuum we’ve talked before about the vuca world the volatile and predictable complex ambiguous world that that phrase that many moons ago the U.S military coined to highlight the dangers of the world in a strategic military sense but it applies so well to our changing societies and our changing not changing daily routines because of things like social media and distractions at one end as that and then at the other end something you call Me Power conditioning

yeah so Me Power was a term that we came up with maybe I don’t know seven or eight years ago now just trying to capture this idea that we have an awful lot of

hour over our own lives so Me Power conditioning is the idea that I am deliberately working on myself we often connect the idea of conditioning with physical conditioning but we can also do psychological conditioning so Me Power conditioning is I’m deliberately putting my best foot forwards and working on myself we see that with the T plan in chapter one how well did I do my best to be at my best and doing Me Power conditioning is the first step to becoming a Habit Mechanic and this goes beyond the individual if you want to have a high performing team a high performing organisation first thing you’re going to need is the packet full of people that are doing Me Power conditioning that are prepared to work on themselves to be at their best to take responsibility so

We have more power over what we think and what we do then we give ourselves credit for and me-pile conditioning gives us something as tangible to

um I suppose label ourselves with label our behaviors and our actions within other people’s at a high level yeah and I think that’s so helpful when you fit it together with this idea of of stating and pointing out to people they do have a choice um it’s not just uh them against this massive tsunami of distraction and and pressure they they have a choice to and how to react and Me Power is a fantastic way I think of capturing it and helping them in the book in chapter nine you then move on to explain how how we can start to begin working on ourselves and improving things um and the starting point is a quite a succinct but powerful phrase thinking about our thinking and you get people to understand that that the way the brain works at a very fundamental level we’re always thinking you have a fantastic exercise for doing this perhaps you could take us through it now on the podcast yeah so we’re always thinking that’s quite hard to understand [Music] if we don’t deliberately think about it um because we’re so automated in in our thinking and are doing so yeah a quick way to understand this is if you just notice right now that you’re talking to yourself

and if it’s helpful to think about that just imagine you’re wearing an invisible pair of headphones so you could cup your hands onto your ears loosely um just imagine you’re wearing invisible pair of headphones think about the size of the headphones the colour of the headphones the brand you know they’re big noise cancelers are the small pods and then as you’re doing this you can notice maybe a favourite song or podcast or album or playlist that you’re listening to or even audiobook

and then also as you’re doing this notice how you’re speaking to yourself and if you don’t think you’re speaking to yourself notice how you’re saying to yourself I’m not speaking to myself I’m not crazy I’m not a crazy person this is going on all the time so we are speaking to ourselves all the time so we are thinking all the time it’s always there and when we start to recognize it we can start to get more control over it so instead of telling myself how rubbish the world is and how a look I am and how terrible my life is I can refocus my attention onto all the things that I could be grateful for like I’m really grateful for the person that made these headphones I’m listening to the podcast on I’m really grateful to the person that made the phone now I’m listening to the podcast on I’m really lucky to have a roof over my head it’s really I’m really fortunate to be able to have some a few meals today as many people in the world starving um just one example of how we can refocus our attention to something that’s more helpful for us in chapter 22 we have lots of little Frameworks that we use like our Webbers and our Fab Frameworks Etc but yeah in short we’re always thinking and I think that example that little exercise makes it very clear that we are and that we can start to control and manage and then probably manage the Bell where we can start to manage how we think to get our attention onto things that are more helpful for our health our happiness and our performance yeah because I think another fascinating and critical point that you make in the book is that um it’s important for people to realize if we do as as humans continue to have these unhelpful thoughts we actually train ourselves to become better at unhelpful thinking that was a real Revelation to me when I read it yeah so the same rules always apply we get good at what we practice so in chapter five of the book and we did an entire podcast on this we we talk about learning in a lot of detail learnings at the heart of becoming a Habit Mechanic because you’re learning how to build better habits and the habits you’re going to get best that are the ones that you practice often so many of us are walking around every day practicing mindlessly worrying and getting stressed and beating ourselves up and we’re not even aware of it but it’s going on silently mindlessly and that means that we’re a habitual habitualizing that way of thinking so if we want to think in a more positive helpful way then we’ve got to practice that instead and I experienced this firsthand because I did my a big set of theories I looked at in my PhD work was around something called meaning Focus coping where you deliberately change the meaning of something that’s stressful you change it into something more helpful and I noticed that over that time of my PhD workout I’ve just started to naturally think in a more positive helpful way now it’s the same with the end of day three tool reflection that we discussed in in chapter five and every day people are posting in the Habit Mechanic University up that’s a way of practicing thinking and if in a different way because the most powerful way to practice thinking is to write things down so yeah the the things that we practice thinking about will become our habits and already are our habits and it’s becoming easier than ever to think in a unhelpful way because of the vuca world and because of you know a lot of psychologically significantly I think is that media Outlets and other media organizations have learned that are negatively uh framed headlines get more traction they get more attention so they’re they’re frame things more negatively um because we live in the attention economy so although it’s difficult to get our attention onto helpful things it’s

absolutely viable to do and you know just one example one of the one of the uh super habits that I’ve resurrected in recent weeks is I’m not checking the news in the week I might listen to the news at the end of the day if if it’s real if it’s uh if I have time if I’m walking or something but I’m not checking I’m not proactively going to check any news um I’ll just catch up on the weekend

yeah it’s uh it’s a fascinating conclusion that you’ve reached in that specific example Jon and it’s perhaps an easy lesson for people to take away if they want to um and just to digress briefly as someone who uh is a trained journalist and did a journalism course so you’re absolutely right and that I I would defend the trade of Journalism and cite its absolute critical importance for democracy but nevertheless there’s something wrong because yes we were indeed told that to look for conflict is uh is a phrase I remember want one tutor telling me um over and over again uh so so that that is an absolute Fair analysis but anyway we’ll move on further into chapter nine and back to your analysis um and the insights you’re providing then about the human brain um and then I think I think what’s so useful again in chapter nine is you highlight very clearly how this unhelpful thinking can can waste massive amounts of time for us and and we times are limited resource for all of us that’s right Andrew there are only 24 hours in a day that’s all we’ve got and the visual metaphor that we like to use is that your 24-hour period is a bit like a barcode so the think of the the white lines is representing times in the day

which when you’re thinking and doing things that are helping you to be at your best think of the the black lines is representing times in the day when you’re thinking and doing things that are making it more difficult for you to be at your best and achieve your goals and we’ve all got black and white lines throughout the course of our day the key thing to start to work out is where are the white lines where are the black lines and then one small black line at a time we can start to reduce and minimize so that we have um a better chance of spending more of r24 hours doing and thinking things that are helpful for us you know that includes high quality sleep it includes high quality what we call a recharge it also includes high quality um Focus work etc but yeah I think that it’s harder and harder than ever to oh it’s easier than ever to get more and more black lines in your day and it’s harder than ever to get rid of them but if we take a robust habit building approach we can quite quickly get rid of some of those red lines and start getting back more of our time so that we can spend more and more time doing things that are helpful for us I I hear on a regular basis from people that just after using um one Habit Mechanic two building a really robust habit building plan around how they’re going to use that tool that they save at least one hour per day not being distracted not doing unhelpful things and often it’s much more than that people report 90 minutes up to two hours sometimes and that’s just after one you know one sort of bout of trying to do this so yeah we can waste an awful lot of time it’s easier than ever to do but equally if we proactively do Me Power conditioning we can get more of our time back so we can be doing and thinking things that are more helpful for helping us to be healthy happy and at our best yeah I think the idea of a barcode is a fantastic visual reference for people with with yeah the white being The Helpful actions and thoughts and the black being the unhelpful um I mean just to just to help people really get this concept really fixed in the heads obviously it’s in the Habit Mechanic book um which which of course we want everyone to read but just for someone casually listening to this podcast just give us an example then of a um a white line if you like a helpful thought and action and what what you know the the full gamut but it’s not perhaps as obvious as people might think and then on on the on the contrary an example of a black line yeah it could be doing your daily tea plan. A white line could be going doing some exercise before you start work in the morning, so there would be some examples um black line might be trying to multitask so trying to do some focused clever what I’d call ice sculpture building work but then you keep breaking off to check your email so you’re trying to multitask when that doesn’t work black line might be having a cup of coffee before you want to go to sleep in the evening you’ll be staying up too late rather than getting good quality sleep um meaning that you’ll be tired the next day less productive Etc umso yeah and I think when people use our habit metric tools in the book I think the first one’s in chapter 12 and then we have some more in-depth ones in chapter 16 and then we have the leadership habit metric Tools in um chapter

29 or maybe actually 28 30 31 32 33 when you start to use those tools you quickly recognize where the black lines aren’t for you and where you can start to get some uh wins in terms of getting rid of those black lines yeah thanks Jon I think it’s a it’s a really really important thing for people to understand that that this this this time well spent versus time unproductively spent can also include things like thinking unhelpful thoughts it’s it’s it really is a revelation when you first are presented with these Concepts that that are in the Habit Mechanic and of course you’ve used in your training um with with tens of thousands of people in different organizations um over the last 20 years and I’m gonna I’m gonna move on uh to talk about the rest of chapter nine um in a few moments Jon but just briefly I know um you’ve been uh working on your one-to-one leadership coaching um um activities and and working with more and more people to help them improve the people they work with their teams or their people’s happiness and performance um just give us an update on that if you would uh how’s that going and and how can people learn more about it if they wanted to yeah well in relation to that we actually had um an article published in Forbes where we the headline was

what was the headline I can’t remember psychometric tests don’t work was basically the thrust of it I think yeah all that as well myself yeah why having metrics are a better solution so we’re actually starting to get that kind of traction now around why our leadership development is so much more powerful than the average thing that’s out there um I think that

the difference that people tell me about our leadership development work is that it doesn’t just end with analysis or predictions about leadership Behaviour it actually shows leaders step by step how to build better habits across our fourth stage Leadership Model the role model the action Communicator the cultural architect the SWAT coach and also using our five stage team power model so leaders could actually know what to do and then know how to help themselves but also their teams build better habits and you know get rid of more of these black lines so yeah the the leadership development Works going really really well and I think it’s harder to be a great leader than ever before um sir this stuff’s more important than ever before because change is happening array of knots um so

leaders jobs are harder and the whole new way that we’re working the hybrid approach we’re taking is making it more difficult to lead because communication collaboration is more challenging if therefore influencing other people’s behaviors more challenging therefore our leaders need a different set of skills to what they’re to the ones that they used when they saw their team members every day in the office so yeah um the work where we’re doing with the leaders using our proprietary public metric tools is really good and it’s it’s really powerful and we’re just getting great results so I’m really pleased by that yeah fantastic and it’s fascinating how at every point of of when we discuss the services you offer just in brief on some of the podcasts they connect back so clearly to what we’re discussing in the content of the Habit Mechanic book um just briefly again before we move back on to chapter nine Jon um in terms of your one-to-one leadership you do I know um teach people how to use your proprietary um Habit Mechanic metrics assessment tools and um in the Forbes article that you’ve just mentioned um you you talk about these and contrast them very sharply too um traditional psychometric tools um just give us a brief overview of that and and how you you they help people to to start to develop super habits yeah so the challenge with traditional psychometrics is that they’re were designed before we understood how Brands worked and their now being called by a very prominent neuroscientists uh they’re saying that psychometrics are about as predictive as horoscopes so they’re not particularly helpful they create deterministic mindsets about ourselves about rather good at a good leader or not The Habit metric tools actually

move beyond the outdated Black Box way of thinking about ourselves and the incorporate what we know about how brains work and the starting point for that is that most of what we think and do is Mindless habitual Behavior and the Habit metric the tools which essentially break leadership down into about 100 different micro Hub habits they allow you to move past your mindless automatic behavior and start to analyze your habits across being a role model being an action Communicator being a cultural architect being a swap coach they allow you to see what you’re doing well but also areas that you can improve and then the ACT is the the foundation to start building small new helpful habits and we use our nomination Factor uh Habit building plans also our culture development reflection tool and our five-stage team power model to help leaders to actually start building better habits individually and collectively so that they don’t just know what they need to do to be a better leader they can actually build the habits and create a culture that makes it easier for that team and their people to build the habits that will allow everyone to be healthy or happier at their best more often allow everyone to contribute towards the team the organization actually achieving its goals so yeah we just posted a Blog about the article on the tougher Minds website which people can check out yeah yeah I was about to say if you’re interested in the in the Forbes article uh Jon has produced a Blog which contains the article um and some other links as well which are really fascinating you can find that on tougherminds.co.uk and I guess Jon if anyone is interested in learning more about the one-to-one leadership coaching you offer then um contact you via the website yeah just get in touch via the website you know and you can take a deep dive into that stuff yourself it’s all in um step four of the book so you can see all that in step four of the book which is the chief Habit Mechanics section yeah fantastic well we’re gonna of course be talking about that as well on this podcast uh in the coming weeks so uh do stay with us um back to chapter nine then of the Habit Mechanic book for this podcast Jon um I think something that’s that’s really really important as well I remember um when I was much much younger being in um wh Smith’s which not so many of them exist now but basically they’re called a news agent and they sold books um and I was at a station and there was a book on the Shelf uh which was which was quite old but it was a book that um that they they obviously sold a lot of and people perhaps just picked up uh spontaneously I think it was called the power of positive thinking and people uh often cite positive thinking as a bit of a cure-all for for times when we’re not performing well times when we’re not feeling well but you cite I think again this was when I first began working with you it was such a revelation to me and it was so important you cite a very important distinction and between helpful thinking and not unhelpful thinking not being the same as positive versus negative please explain that to us because it is so fascinating yeah so for me it’s more helpful to frame thinking within the

um on the Continuum you have helpful to unhelpful rather than positive to negative so sometimes something that’s positive can be really unhelpful for example I might really like donuts and this morning for breakfast I had um three Donuts and although it was very positive in the moment it was actually really unhelpful for my um where girls you know we see that in chapter 23 in the confidence chapter I talk about Gene tuangi’s work generation me where she looks at the role of

um the American education system forcefully injecting confidence into the education system and and the negative impact that’s had on young people being not very resilient being very fragile so in that example a partly in a one just simple example there is that if we want more people to have more confidence they said no one’s going to lose anymore everyone will be a winner so everyone’s going to get a trophy and what that’s actually led to is lots of young people with really high self-esteem but really low self-efficacy which leads to really fragile confidence so that’s another example where positive positive positive is actually been really unhelpful um if we flip it around sometimes a negative can be really helpful So within the thrust of that same example I was similar to the Ching Gene twangy confidence example if I get some negative feedback from my boss today it might not feel great in the moment but it might be really helpful in helping me to develop and get better at my role if I step on the weighing scale and it isn’t where I want it to be then that might be really helpful because it’s the kick up the back side I need to start getting my diet and my exercise back on track so

it’s important not just to get fixated on what the positive psychologist would call the hedonic treadmill just positive positive positive positive positive we need to strike a balance between the positive and the negative the way or a model that I’m very compelled within that space is um Barbara frederickson’s work on flourishing and languishing and that’s where the three to one ratio comes from she talks about three to one three positives to one negative is a minimal ratio for um flourishing she calls that brownie positivity so the negative gives us something to work on and to improve and to keep going and the three positive gives us give us the confidence and the belief you know that we that that it is worthwhile to keep going sometimes the that ratio needs 11. positives to the one negative because the one negative can be so so helpful so so heavy rather so yeah we can go into the weeds in into the theoretical stuff there but at a high level I don’t think it’s very helpful to think about thinking as positive verse negative I think it’s much more powerful to think about thinking as helpful thinking and doing versus unhelpful thinking and doing and of course that’s going to be absolutely subjective um based on your experience and that’s also Central to The Habit Mechanic approach we never tell you what you need to do we just give you the insights we give you the toolkit and it’s up to you to work work out how to make it work in your own life for something that’s very helpful for me might be really unhelpful for you something that’s really unhelpful for me to think and do might be really helpful for you to think and do so we just need to know what the rules are the parameters and then work it work out the the middle bit ourselves yeah it’s fantastic there’s a couple of things I’d like to just pick up on there Jon I know I know uh throughout the Habit Mechanic you use lots of examples um drawn from high performance sport of course you yourself are involved in high performance Sport and um I I know whilst never having been in the room when it’s happened we know it happens and takes place sometimes it’s useful to consider and draw these parallels with the way that high performance athletes and players work like specifically saying in soccer or football um a player might be shown by a coach an example of a mistake they’ve been made they’ve made and which is very negative a negative experience perhaps and might have resulted in a really high profile setback or failure on the sports field which we know generates massive media attention but as you say it’s a it’s a helpful kick up the backside for that player provided it’s presented correctly and of course you talk much more about this um in in in you know the the the the leadership work you do and in the Habit Mechanic book it’s helpful for the player to have that shock to the system if you like is that a fair parallel to draw to to take that example from sport

yes but it depends on the player and the best coach is they almost know the ratios they need to communicate to the players with so some players are 11 to 1 players they need 11 positives for every negative and they’ll be a reason for that because you know they may have had and there’s one one player I remember working with um very

high profile in terms of the next best thing the next big Superstar Etc they’ve been treated really poorly by let’s say you know an old school in fact a very high profile old school manager that just completely destroyed this kid’s confidence to the point where you would ask you know one of the important things in your game as a striker and it says speed strength and you say well out of 10 you know where do you think you are in terms of speed and the guides I’m about six out of ten this guy could have been 100 metre Olympic sprinter if you wanted to be

um I think we might have just lost you then for a moment Jon and it’s the best part of the story so could we have that again please you were telling us how how the guy rated himself yes so he rated himself um let’s say for Speed Six out of ten when the reality was he could have been an Olympic sprinter if he didn’t want it to be he was that fast the strength he he gave himself something similar maybe a five out of ten yeah he was you know six foot two really built really strong that was his self-perception he didn’t he didn’t see himself like other saw him so yeah that’s why it’s important to understand the science that sits behind this is all about brain function ultimately if you give people too many negatives the limbic regions of the brains take over the PFC shuts down and people can’t learn from the about the thing you’re trying to get them to learn from the video feedback if it’s a sports example because they’re their Hue is out of the cage if you like and all it can think about is the worry and the problem and the threat so yeah I think the best coaches they are using it’s almost like lap player needs about this ratio this player needs about this ratio um but the negatives really important you know sometimes for another player they might need three negatives to one positive because there might be super uh cocky and arrogant so they might need to you know kick up the backside in order to get them to really focus and understand that their their current behavior isn’t going to get them to where they want to be so yeah this is the this is almost what we’re covering in chapter nine is is the basics where we need to get two with this is first of all understand how it applies to ourselves but then as a leader and a manager understand how we can use it to positively influence other people’s behaviors um yeah yes I I just think it’s it’s it’s so uh worthwhile for people to be to be introduced to that idea and to start to get to grips with the idea of of helpful versus unhelpful thinking is is you know a much better way of considering it rather than positive and negative and just just one more thing on that Jonny you said something there which I think is very interesting you use the word self-efficacy um versus self-esteem and I think that’s again another great distinction for people to understand just tell us about that please yeah so confidence isn’t one thing it’s got two parts it’s got esteem which is your belief in how good you are at something and it has efficacy that’s the evidence that supports your belief and the metaphor we use for that is the igloo when we first introduce the confidence are we the igloo structure in chapter five of the book and we actually show your igloo building up throughout the book but then we’ll be dig into that in more detail in chapter 23 the confidence chapter so the idea of that you have um it’s like your life in terms of your confidence levels you’ve got almost a housing estate a big lose and you’ve got any glue representing each important part of your life you could have um leadership could be the MBA that you’re doing you could have been a parent you could have been a good family member you could have the Italian language that you’re learning could have your golf you know whatever it is parenting so you’ve got all these igloos they’re in different states of repair some are really well built some are just got foundations but the overall structure of the igloo represents the esteem the belief and then the each individual building block is the evidence the efficacy and if we want to have robust confidence we need to have both a components yeah that’s that’s another uh revelatory thing that that I I found about reading the Habit Mechanic these these Concepts really help you to to understand how you work and that’s so helpful um well chapter nine Jon concludes then with a with a look ahead to the content that’s coming um and you talk you you give us a hint of how you’re going to explain the very um complex different models of the brain that you use although of course they’re very very accessible and very practical in the way they’re they’re presented in the Habit Mechanic but but massively um complex science behind this but let me assure people very readily digestible and easy to get to grips with and an enjoyable to get to grips with in the Habit Mechanic book but you you cite um three different things to three models if you like of of the brain um at the end of this chapter a simple model and a medium model if you like an intermediate as you call it in a complex model just just give us that that teaser that you give please at the end of chapter nine yes uh in the coming chapters we’re going to dig into each of these models the the simplest way we explain how the brim works is via our Lighthouse brain model where we talk about we first introduce the character hue horrible and helpful emotions and also Willamina power or willpower in there relationship in the most basic way we can explain it then we dig a bit deeper in the second model which I see is slightly intermediate model which is the air brain their life perceived energy brain versus the hack brain The Helpful attention control brain um people are familiar with tough amazing Habit Mechanic are familiar with uh their bread and hack and we talk more about some of the the high level uh brain structures involved in the thrusts of how we um instinctively behave and how we can start to manage those instincts to build more helpful habits and the most complex level I suppose of of what we’re talking about is emotional regulation and that can be a almost a nonsensical term but my my hypothesis if is that emotional regulation is the is the number one thing is the most important thing we can learn how to manage and get better at um and that’s the foundation of building a new habits being able to regulate the old Behavior so we can start to build a new Behavior and actually we can build emotional regulation into a habit so we can build what we call implicit emotional regulation so it’s like semi-automated um emotional regulation and I go into the details of that on the brand sites involved in that within that chapter which we’ll we’ll come on to in a few episodes time so yeah this chapter is a real foundational introduction to how our brim works and the highest level is that it’s always on we’re always thinking um but we can also start to get start to manage how we think so that we can be thinking and doing things that are more helpful for us being at our best I remember when I first started to do some work with you Jon and I attended one of your presentations and and this was the Crux of it about how the brain works I I actually felt I think I felt a physical impact it was so revelatory to me uh what what sort of what sort of reactions do you get from people when you when you highlight this to them when you open their eyes to this yeah I think it’s just positive because

it allows us to understand ourselves in a completely different way you know why why wouldn’t we teach this to young people this should just be the first thing that everybody learns about the whys are because we’ve only been quite recent history learned about it but um you know we learn about our heart works and our muscles work you know in basic biology we don’t learn how our brain works or not if we do not in a helpful way not in a way that you might learn about this love and that love but that’s kind of just theoretical disconnected from The Human Experience why wouldn’t we learn about how our brain works so that people have a better understanding of why they do the things that they do and it’s more important than ever to understand these models because we can’t because the way that we are being automated to think and to do is becoming less and less helpful for being healthy happy and at our best so if we want to do Me Power conditioning and proactively work towards being at our best then we can we’re gonna it’s gonna be much easier to do that if we actually understand how our brain works the thing that if I see people after those presentations I’m working with over a period of time I always hear about people laughing at themselves more but also telling me about other people’s shoes and their brands and just how they don’t recognize what they’re doing so yeah I think very quickly learning about these models just completely changes the way you think about yourself but also others in a really positive helpful way yeah it certainly does and I’ve seen countless examples I can tell people of uh that that look of of Revelation and realization on people’s faces it really is a fascinating moment to see but if you go on to if you go into the different Minds website and you look at some of the case studies I would say in particular look at the the educational care studies you can see kids that are about 10 years old talking about this stuff and talking about how it’s changing it’s changed what they do just by learning about this stuff which is also fascinating you can learn it at such a young age and it can have such a big impact on your life yeah but as you say Jon I think it is because of the very very accessible very practical um digestible way you present these ideas and I think it is it is something in my experience that young people do readily accept and do readily get to grips with and it helps them in the same way as you rightly say they might learn about other parts of their body and we that’s part of it’s certainly part of my education when many many many many decades ago but um it would be uh fantastic to think that young people were were shown and had their eyes open to this aspect of of being being alive I think it would be so useful yeah well hopefully we’ll get there and this will just be what people learn about them I can see the Habit Mechanic GCSE coming in the not too distant future well let’s set let’s hope it’s sooner rather than later um yeah it’s been great to talk about chapter nine Jon thanks for your time once again um please do like and subscribe to this podcast leave us a five star review if you can on the podcast platform of uh your choice don’t forget to check out the tougher Minds website tougherminds.co.uk the blog section as Jon says um with that new article that Jon’s written for forbes.com about psychometric testing and why they don’t work and habit metrics um should be what we’re thinking about and been another fascinating episode Jon will look forward to many more anything else you’d like to say in closing well thanks for listening first of all I hope that’s been interesting for you and I think

the the thing to I want to say think I think quite a few times here the thing to be thinking about is your thinking and that you’re always doing it and that we can many of the things that we automatically think about are not always that helpful for us being our best um if you’ve got a copy of the Habit Mechanic book just skip ahead and take some of the self-assessments and that will make it easier for you to analyze your current thinking and whether it’s helpful or not helpful particularly look at the ones in chapter 17 there are two habit metric Tools in there and then just pick an area to work on and create a habit building plan to help you to practice thinking and doing in a different way um and very quickly you can make some really good progress in terms of getting rid of some of those black lines in your 24 hour period building new habits isn’t always easy they’re often bumps in the road and those bumps are essential because if we don’t fail we can’t learn and we can grow sir expect to fail and take it as a positive or A helpful thing when you do because it’s going to help you to learn more about yourself um keep persisting that is the key thing because you’re only ever one habit aware

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